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Is this season a testament to the system more than anything?

Postby BroadcastingHusky on Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:50 pm

Kam Chancellor 5th round pick
Richard Sherman 5th round pick
Byron Maxwell 6th round pick
Brandon Browner CFL
Tharold Simon 5th round pick
Deshawn Shead UDFA
Jeremy Lane 6th round pick

Only player from the LOB era drafted high... Earl Thomas.

I always found it odd that folks, pundits if you will, figured the Hawks would be in major decline with the parting of the LOB. I've always wondered why they assumed the Seahawks... who had proven over and over again that they could take players that were fringe NFL prospects and turn them into pro bowlers... couldn't do the same with a new crop of talent?

Tre Flowers 5th round pick - has a bright, bright future. This kid is going to be good. Had he been picked by any other team in the NFL, would he have been nearly as successful?

Bradley McDougald UDFA - again, he's been very good in Kam's absence. He played at Kansas... guys, Kansas. On what other team would he have gotten a chance let alone be a quality starter?

Tedric Thompson 4th round pick - I heard a stat the other night... apparently he has only allowed 5 passes to be completed past his level of coverage the entire season and that's first in the NFL.

Shaq Griffin 3rd round pick - Our highest pick has been our worst corner. I think they may have assessed incorrectly on this one... he's not as physical as browner and doesn't use his length well. That said, he's shown flashes and the hope is he turns into something.

Justin Coleman UDFA - has been a dream at slot corner this year.

And did you see them raving over Akeem King against KC?

How can another cast of relative nobodies, minus say Griffin, still be a quality coverage unit after replacing multiple pro bowlers and all-pros?

It's the system. They find fringe guys who can do what they want to do and turn them into stars.

And the rest of our D... yeah... we drafted Bruce Irvin, Brandon Mebane, Leroy Hill, Bobby Wagner, Frank Clark and Jarran Reed in the top 3 rounds but guys like Chris Clemons, Michael Bennett, Red Bryant, Malcolm Smith, KJ Wright, Tony McDaniel, Cliff Avril, Jeron Johnson, Ahtyba Rubin, Brock Coyle, Quinton Jefferson, Dion Jordan and Austin Calitro were all later round picks, UDFA's, or relative castaways and were quality performers in their roles based on the system we put them in.

You draft guys like Earl Thomas and Bobby Wagner... put the pieces around them in the system and something special happens.

Hell... look at our offense. Our best running back was a 7th round pick and our best WR was a UDFA.

Stupid pundits... never finished worse than 9-7 under Pete and Russ as a tandem. Why would you predict them finishing 4-12 (like that moron Pete Prisco) until they fucking do it?
 
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Postby Don Gorgon on Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:29 pm

Yeah, all the criticism of his draft and all that, his style of play no longer could win in the NFL.

good ol' Frank Schwab
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Picks: RB Rashaad Penny (1); DE Rasheem Green (3); TE Will Dissly (4); LB Shaquem Griffin (5); S Tre Flowers (5); P Michael Dickson (5); OT Jamarco Jones (5); LB Jake Martin (6); QB Alex McGough (7).
Analysis: I’m not sure what the Seahawks were doing. Pete Carroll told ESPN’s Louis Riddick the Seahawks want to “reset” and get back to running the ball (h/t to Mike Clay of ESPN) which seems like a bad idea in a pass-first league when Seattle has one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. But the picks of Rashaad Penny in the first round and blocking tight end Will Dissly in the fourth align with that philosophy. This probably sums up the Seahawks’ draft: They picked a punter before an offensive lineman, and they desperately need help on the line. And the Seahawks traded up for that punter (though Michael Dickson is a good one). Penny might have been the most surprising pick of the first round, Seattle was drafting to be a ground-and-pound team instead of getting help for Russell Wilson in the pass game, and in general it treated the draft like it could make luxury picks instead of filling holes on a roster that is suddenly in decay. Though I do love that Seattle gave us a wonderful moment with the Shaquem Griffin pick (and I do like that pick strictly from a football standpoint), I’m stunned by its approach this offseason.
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Postby Don Gorgon on Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:37 pm

and that is a good point about where they draft, PC has never taken a cornerback higher than like the fourth round or whatever but he suddenly has to grab one in the first round in order to replace RS that was drafted in the fifth...go figure
 
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Postby HawkBowler on Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:57 am

Stupid pundits... never finished worse than 9-7 under Pete and Russ as a tandem. Why would you predict them finishing 4-12 (like that moron Pete Prisco) until they fucking do it?


This board was full of 4-12 predictions back in August. And coming from guys who are not fair weather at all. Just so many big names leaving. A team already on a downward trajectory from the previous season. But I made the same argument above... that we haven't even experienced a losing season yet, why should we expect to drop off that much?

Pete Caroll is the best secondary coach in the league. Seems like he can take guys at any level of the draft and turn them into star DBs. OL not so much. So yes, it is the system. I do think that the system, though, requires a couple of stars, particularly in the middle of the defense. We have B Wags. We had Earl at center field. When the defense was really humming we had guys like Mebane in the middle of the DL, now we have Reed.
 
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Postby ThePro on Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:14 pm

Griffin isn't the worst corner.
 
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Postby ddraig on Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:48 pm

I think I figured 8-8 and missing the playoffs. But then I always hedge a bit with two toss-up games that could go either way. So finishing 6-10 or 10-6 would have been OK with me. Hell, we could have been 10-5 right now had we taken the Whiner game.
 
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Postby HawkBowler on Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:18 pm

I called it... first time in HawkBowler history. I said before week one that the Hawks would be 10-6 and make the playoffs. I was chided as a Hellen Kellen homer. The worst sort of heretic. Foolish for thinking anything good could come from the end of the LOB.
 
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Postby 57reasons on Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:08 pm

HawkBowler wrote:I called it... first time in HawkBowler history. I said before week one that the Hawks would be 10-6 and make the playoffs. I was chided as a Hellen Kellen homer. The worst sort of heretic. Foolish for thinking anything good could come from the end of the LOB.

i thought coming in that the Hawks had their biggest range of any season i could remember - could legitimately finish anywhere from 4-12 to 12-4. With so many replacements who had yet to prove it, including coaches, hard to say with any confidence what the outcome would be. You do deserve credit for not jumping off the bandwagon and writing them off like those lazy pundits who cannot appreciate the wisdom of PC/JS's less-conventional style, but the reality is this season was close to unravelling after the 0-2 start before Pete course-corrected and got out of Schneider's way. Yes we all hoped Lockett could be a lead receiver, that Fluker could improve the run game, that Carson and/or Penny could emerge in the backfield, Ifedi could solve his pass pro woes, that a rookie converted safety could survive (let alone thrive) as a starting corner, that Griffin could convert to left corner, that anyone could replace the best ever safety tandem of Kam and Earl, and somewhere someone could manage some pass rush with Avril and Bennett departing. That was a LOT to hope for, and yet it all turned out right. And retooled now for another extended run - that's an amazing season, no matter what the outcome is next Saturday (and i like our chances there too).
 
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Postby D-Trains on Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:11 pm

HawkBowler wrote:I called it... first time in HawkBowler history. I said before week one that the Hawks would be 10-6 and make the playoffs. I was chided as a Hellen Kellen homer. The worst sort of heretic. Foolish for thinking anything good could come from the end of the LOB.


I never have thought of you as a Helen Keller homer. You are not a blind and deaf homer, just a blind homer so maybe a Ray Charles or Stevie Wonder homer. :)

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Postby SonsofHan on Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:48 pm

BroadcastingHusky wrote:Kam Chancellor 5th round pick
Richard Sherman 5th round pick
Byron Maxwell 6th round pick
Brandon Browner CFL
Tharold Simon 5th round pick
Deshawn Shead UDFA
Jeremy Lane 6th round pick

Only player from the LOB era drafted high... Earl Thomas.

I always found it odd that folks, pundits if you will, figured the Hawks would be in major decline with the parting of the LOB. I've always wondered why they assumed the Seahawks... who had proven over and over again that they could take players that were fringe NFL prospects and turn them into pro bowlers... couldn't do the same with a new crop of talent?

Tre Flowers 5th round pick - has a bright, bright future. This kid is going to be good. Had he been picked by any other team in the NFL, would he have been nearly as successful?

Bradley McDougald UDFA - again, he's been very good in Kam's absence. He played at Kansas... guys, Kansas. On what other team would he have gotten a chance let alone be a quality starter?

Tedric Thompson 4th round pick - I heard a stat the other night... apparently he has only allowed 5 passes to be completed past his level of coverage the entire season and that's first in the NFL.

Shaq Griffin 3rd round pick - Our highest pick has been our worst corner. I think they may have assessed incorrectly on this one... he's not as physical as browner and doesn't use his length well. That said, he's shown flashes and the hope is he turns into something.

Justin Coleman UDFA - has been a dream at slot corner this year.

And did you see them raving over Akeem King against KC?

How can another cast of relative nobodies, minus say Griffin, still be a quality coverage unit after replacing multiple pro bowlers and all-pros?

It's the system. They find fringe guys who can do what they want to do and turn them into stars.

And the rest of our D... yeah... we drafted Bruce Irvin, Brandon Mebane, Leroy Hill, Bobby Wagner, Frank Clark and Jarran Reed in the top 3 rounds but guys like Chris Clemons, Michael Bennett, Red Bryant, Malcolm Smith, KJ Wright, Tony McDaniel, Cliff Avril, Jeron Johnson, Ahtyba Rubin, Brock Coyle, Quinton Jefferson, Dion Jordan and Austin Calitro were all later round picks, UDFA's, or relative castaways and were quality performers in their roles based on the system we put them in.

You draft guys like Earl Thomas and Bobby Wagner... put the pieces around them in the system and something special happens.

Hell... look at our offense. Our best running back was a 7th round pick and our best WR was a UDFA.

Stupid pundits... never finished worse than 9-7 under Pete and Russ as a tandem. Why would you predict them finishing 4-12 (like that moron Pete Prisco) until they fucking do it?



I agree with much of what you said but this made me jump out of my seat. Shaq Griffin has been a stud all year. He not only has Sherm like dreads streaming from the helmet but has displayed Sherm's complete player profile. The best DB I ever seen was a specialist D. Sanders. He followed the best receivers around and often made them disappear. That said he was not a complete player like Sherman. Sherman sent our 230# rookie RB to the sideline after he tested Sherman on the edge. Griffin has that same attribute he is only 6" vs Sherman's 6'3" but both 195#. Shaq is not short but he makes up for it with a 38" vert and elite 4.38 - 40 time speed. Sherm's 6'3" size and WR exp. made him a prototype for his position. One of the less measurable advantages of Richard Sherman is his IQ. He was a Stanford man and in the NFL world of obvious brawn having the ability to read and diagnose is another advantage.
 
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