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Re: The Resurrection of Wade Miley

Postby D-Trains on Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:50 am

Don Gorgon wrote:what is it you are going to do with Seager?...find a team willing to pick up the rest of his contract?


I am sure they will be lining up to pay a guy entering his 30s almost $60MM that hit .174 with a .553 OPS in the second half.

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Re: The Resurrection of Wade Miley

Postby Don Gorgon on Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:20 am

To me, coming out ahead would be not paying a guy $18M to hit worse than Healy. Anything else would he gravy.

A guy gets to costing $18M per year and what we get in return is a lot less important than the opportunity cost of


That is what I do not understand, its not about getting prospects for Seager, its about how do you not have to pay him? Coming out ahead means somehow getting out from under Seager's contract and getting a better 3rd baseman out of the deal.
 
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Re: The Resurrection of Wade Miley

Postby WARwhatisitgoodfor on Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:36 am

Don Gorgon wrote:
To me, coming out ahead would be not paying a guy $18M to hit worse than Healy. Anything else would he gravy.

A guy gets to costing $18M per year and what we get in return is a lot less important than the opportunity cost of


That is what I do not understand, its not about getting prospects for Seager, its about how do you not have to pay him? Coming out ahead means somehow getting out from under Seager's contract and getting a better 3rd baseman out of the deal.


Yes, I think another team would pick up at least $15M/yr to take a chance on a Seager rebound.

It's far from an albatross contract at this point in this market.

Cano3B/Healy1B cost $24.5M + $15M saved from Seager to put towards a pitcher.

The alternative is:

Seager3B/Cano1B for $42M with $0 to spend elsewhere and let Healy's bat out of the lineup instead of Seager. Keep in mind Healy's bat has been better than Seager anyways.
 
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Re: The Resurrection of Wade Miley

Postby Don Gorgon on Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:09 am

You can do whatever you want at 3rd base, you can cut Seager and just play somebody else. But in terms of having his contract money to play with, that to me is a reach. I do not think its realistic to work under the assumption some other team is going to step in and pick up virtually all of his remaining contract. That is saying he is worth paying $15 mil as a 3rd baseman, if he is worth $15 mil as a 3rd baseman then why don't we just keep him? We do not have anybody in particular to replace him with.
 
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Re: The Resurrection of Wade Miley

Postby WARwhatisitgoodfor on Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:20 am

Don Gorgon wrote:You can do whatever you want at 3rd base, you can cut Seager and just play somebody else. But in terms of having his contract money to play with, that to me is a reach. I do not think its realistic to work under the assumption some other team is going to step in and pick up virtually all of his remaining contract. That is saying he is worth paying $15 mil as a 3rd baseman, if he is worth $15 mil as a 3rd baseman then why don't we just keep him? We do not have anybody in particular to replace him with.


You're so dense, I'm literally embarrassed for you.

You bozos are the ones saying he's still worth OVER $15 million based on his WAR, and yes, I think that other teams would pay AT LEAST that much betting on a rebound.

We have Cano exactly in particular to replace Seager with.

Cano
Seager
Healy
Gordon
Vogelbach
Cruz
Segura

One or two have to go, there's only so many spots.

I'd be trying my damndest to make sure it's Gordon and Seager who are the odd men out, even if Cruz walks.

I'd find a new 2B before I went forward paying Seager his going rate to be a defensive specialist like Figgins when we need bats.
 
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Re: The Resurrection of Wade Miley

Postby Don Gorgon on Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:27 am

WARwhatisitgoodfor wrote:
Don Gorgon wrote:You can do whatever you want at 3rd base, you can cut Seager and just play somebody else. But in terms of having his contract money to play with, that to me is a reach. I do not think its realistic to work under the assumption some other team is going to step in and pick up virtually all of his remaining contract. That is saying he is worth paying $15 mil as a 3rd baseman, if he is worth $15 mil as a 3rd baseman then why don't we just keep him? We do not have anybody in particular to replace him with.


You're so dense, I'm literally embarrassed for you.

You bozos are the ones saying he's still worth OVER $15 million based on his WAR, and yes, I think that other teams would pay AT LEAST that much betting on a rebound.

We have Cano exactly in particular to replace Seager with.

Cano
Seager
Healy
Gordon
Vogelbach
Cruz
Segura

One or two have to go, there's only so many spots.

I'd be trying my damndest to make sure it's Gordon and Seager who are the odd men out, even if Cruz walks.

I'd find a new 2B before I went forward paying Seager his going rate to be a defensive specialist like Figgins when we need bats.


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Re: The Resurrection of Wade Miley

Postby WARwhatisitgoodfor on Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:36 am

You were laughing before this season when I said the team sucked also.

"Let the season play out, we'll see" you said.

Well how'd it play out chuckles?
 
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Re: The Resurrection of Wade Miley

Postby Captain 97 on Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:13 am

WARwhatisitgoodfor wrote:
Don Gorgon wrote:You can do whatever you want at 3rd base, you can cut Seager and just play somebody else. But in terms of having his contract money to play with, that to me is a reach. I do not think its realistic to work under the assumption some other team is going to step in and pick up virtually all of his remaining contract. That is saying he is worth paying $15 mil as a 3rd baseman, if he is worth $15 mil as a 3rd baseman then why don't we just keep him? We do not have anybody in particular to replace him with.


You're so dense, I'm literally embarrassed for you.

You bozos are the ones saying he's still worth OVER $15 million based on his WAR, and yes, I think that other teams would pay AT LEAST that much betting on a rebound.

We have Cano exactly in particular to replace Seager with.

Cano
Seager
Healy
Gordon
Vogelbach
Cruz
Segura

One or two have to go, there's only so many spots.

I'd be trying my damndest to make sure it's Gordon and Seager who are the odd men out, even if Cruz walks.

I'd find a new 2B before I went forward paying Seager his going rate to be a defensive specialist like Figgins when we need bats.


Your delusional if you think someone is going to pick up 15 million of Seager's salary. Its just flat out not going to happen I think the best you could hope for is maybe 8-9 million leaving you on the hook for the other 10-11. Assuming that Cano moves to third and Gordon stays at second that means you need to find an outfielder for 8-9 million that can be enough of an upgrade offensively to compensate for the big downgrade at 3rd base defensively. I just don't think you are going to find that. last year Upton went for 21 million,Cain went for 16 Million, Bruce went for 13 Million. From there it was a drop down to 3-5 Million for dumpster dive guys like Granderson, Kendrick and Austin Jackson. Seager has a 1.3 WAR. Here are the available Free agent outfielders with a higher WAR than Seager. Michael Brantley 2.6, A.J. Pollock 1.9, Bryce Harper 3.1, Nick Markakis 2.5, Carlos Gonzalez 1.9, Andrew McCutchen 1.8. Those guys are going to be expensive.
 
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Re: The Resurrection of Wade Miley

Postby WARwhatisitgoodfor on Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:30 am

Captain 97 wrote:
WARwhatisitgoodfor wrote:
Don Gorgon wrote:You can do whatever you want at 3rd base, you can cut Seager and just play somebody else. But in terms of having his contract money to play with, that to me is a reach. I do not think its realistic to work under the assumption some other team is going to step in and pick up virtually all of his remaining contract. That is saying he is worth paying $15 mil as a 3rd baseman, if he is worth $15 mil as a 3rd baseman then why don't we just keep him? We do not have anybody in particular to replace him with.


You're so dense, I'm literally embarrassed for you.

You bozos are the ones saying he's still worth OVER $15 million based on his WAR, and yes, I think that other teams would pay AT LEAST that much betting on a rebound.

We have Cano exactly in particular to replace Seager with.

Cano
Seager
Healy
Gordon
Vogelbach
Cruz
Segura

One or two have to go, there's only so many spots.

I'd be trying my damndest to make sure it's Gordon and Seager who are the odd men out, even if Cruz walks.

I'd find a new 2B before I went forward paying Seager his going rate to be a defensive specialist like Figgins when we need bats.


Your delusional if you think someone is going to pick up 15 million of Seager's salary. Its just flat out not going to happen I think the best you could hope for is maybe 8-9 million leaving you on the hook for the other 10-11. Assuming that Cano moves to third and Gordon stays at second that means you need to find an outfielder for 8-9 million that can be enough of an upgrade offensively to compensate for the big downgrade at 3rd base defensively. I just don't think you are going to find that. last year Upton went for 21 million,Cain went for 16 Million, Bruce went for 13 Million. From there it was a drop down to 3-5 Million for dumpster dive guys like Granderson, Kendrick and Austin Jackson. Seager has a 1.3 WAR. Here are the available Free agent outfielders with a higher WAR than Seager. Michael Brantley 2.6, A.J. Pollock 1.9, Bryce Harper 3.1, Nick Markakis 2.5, Carlos Gonzalez 1.9, Andrew McCutchen 1.8. Those guys are going to be expensive.


Exactly. If you're going to spend money, spend it on guys that are good. I'll take Seagers money, add it to money I wouldn't waste on guys like Nicasio and Zipchinski and spend it on a good player like Bryce Harper or Manny Machado in their prime.

Don't waste time on the Austin Jackson category.

Add a real OF to our mix and I have this sneaking suspicion we could squeak by with a 4some of Haniger/Herdia/Gamel/Harper.

We have Haniger and Heredia that can both play CF, they need to stop acting like CF is some sacred cow.
 
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Re: The Resurrection of Wade Miley

Postby AT Sandiego on Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:41 pm

There's no way to avoid the 60 win season if you want to get better soon as possible. You send Seager off and pay part of his salary, Gordon, Zunino... in like manner.. You replace them with young players and take your losses hoping that one or two of the youngsters will develop while you draft and reduce budget. The Yankees have done that to a degree... but we have to go full commando on that kind of program..
 
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