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Re: It's a done deal - Zunino for Smith

Postby Double Mocha Man on Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:42 pm

D-Trains wrote:
VOR wrote:The key to the deal for Dipoto is that he included Heredia, so now he can justify trading a couple 19 year olds to get a 4th outfielder.


Ichiro is our 4th OFer. Won't cost us a thing.

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We should sign and bring Ichiro to the plate for one appearance so his Hall of Fame voting is forestalled. On that note, could Edgar have one at bat this season and then his years to get into the Hall of Fame resets?
 
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Re: It's a done deal - Zunino for Smith

Postby D-Trains on Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:44 pm

Edgar won't need it. He is going in.

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Re: It's a done deal - Zunino for Smith

Postby harmony55 on Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:21 pm

I had to add my comment to this Beyond the Box Score column:

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2018/ ... -hernandez
 
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Re: It's a done deal - Zunino for Smith

Postby D-Trains on Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:25 pm

harmony55 wrote:I had to add my comment to this Beyond the Box Score column:

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2018/ ... -hernandez


Well done. Good to be able to see both sides of something. There is almost never only one.

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Re: It's a done deal - Zunino for Smith

Postby Don Gorgon on Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:29 pm

can't get the comments to load, interesting article....

that there, that is what I have been getting at, trading assets back and forth is not building a team

It’s also the second trade involving Smith in just the past year, which once again begs the question of why you’re merely passing assets back and forth instead of building towards something substantively better, despite the fact that Smith did have a good season in Tampa in 2018.

I could go on, but the point being is two-fold: on one hand, there aren’t that many trades that Dipoto wins. Yet, even in the losses, did they give away the greatest players in history? No, they’re not trading Babe Ruth. But when you’re a general manager, the point is to paper clip trade your way to higher levels of talent, not swapping 1 WAR players back and forth like a game of hot potato.
 
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Re: It's a done deal - Zunino for Smith

Postby D-Trains on Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:39 pm

Harmony's comment:

And now to the omissions ...
In 2017 Seattle general manager Jerry Dipoto traded outfield prospect Tyler O’Neill to St. Louis for lefthander Marco Gonzales, who this year ranked 23rd among all starters with 3.6 fWAR, just ahead of Clayton Kershaw and Zack Grienke.

Also in 2017 Dipoto traded middle infield prospect Rayder Ascanio to St. Louis for righthander Mike Leake, international bonus slot money and cash. Leake has posted an OPS+ of 100 in 36 starts with the Mariners.

In May Dipoto traded righthanders Andrew Moore and Tommy Romero to Tampa Bay for reliever Alex Colome, who posted an ERA of 2.53 in 47 appearance with the Mariners, and outfielder Denard Span, who posted an OPS+ of 113 in 94 games with the M’s.

In 2016 Dipoto traded pitching prospect Zack Littell to the New York Yankees for lefthanded reliever James Pazos, who this year posted an ERA of 2.88 in 60 appearances with the Mariners.

In 2016 Dipoto traded righthanders Juan De Paula and Jio Orozco to the New York Yankees for outfielder Ben Gamel, who this year posted an OPS+ 106 in 101 games with the Mariners.

I hope that provides a more complete picture of Dipoto’s trades.

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Re: It's a done deal - Zunino for Smith

Postby Freespeech on Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:50 pm

Have not seen this posted before, Smith home/road splits last season:

70 G, 276 PA's at Tropicana: .347 BA, .415 OBP, .887 OPS
71 G, 268 PA's everywhere else: .244 BA, .317 OBP, .657 OPS

Safeco ain't the Trop.
 
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Re: It's a done deal - Zunino for Smith

Postby D-Trains on Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:34 pm

Freespeech wrote:Have not seen this posted before, Smith home/road splits last season:

70 G, 276 PA's at Tropicana: .347 BA, .415 OBP, .887 OPS
71 G, 268 PA's everywhere else: .244 BA, .317 OBP, .657 OPS

Safeco ain't the Trop.


A bit alarming but he isn't a power hitter so it shouldn't be a big deal. I hope.

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Re: It's a done deal - Zunino for Smith

Postby Freespeech on Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:44 pm

D-Trains wrote:
Freespeech wrote:Have not seen this posted before, Smith home/road splits last season:

70 G, 276 PA's at Tropicana: .347 BA, .415 OBP, .887 OPS
71 G, 268 PA's everywhere else: .244 BA, .317 OBP, .657 OPS

Safeco ain't the Trop.


A bit alarming but he isn't a power hitter so it shouldn't be a big deal. I hope.

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Yeah I don't know how to judge those figures. Obviously indoor-fast-rug helps ground balls, but never saw him play there so........

Still if that bottom slash line becomes the norm then this has the feeling of another lateral move at best. At worst it's rearranging the deck chairs on you-know-what ship.
 
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Re: It's a done deal - Zunino for Smith

Postby Don Gorgon on Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:55 pm

from the Tampa side, Rays viewed as trying to sell high on Smith, they also like Heridia

https://www.tampabay.com/blogs/rays/201 ... mith-deal/
 
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