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History will remember Trump

Postby kenkomi on Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:39 am

http://www.theflezz.space/2018/05/history-will-remember-donald-trump.html
Much to American people’s chagrin, history will remember their 44th president, who was elected to office to restore the nation’s greatness, as the man who ended up reducing it to irresponsible warmongering and an untrustworthy actor in the eyes of the international community.

The Trump administration’s abrupt decision to unilaterally dump the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA, or more popularly known as the Iran nuclear deal) and reinstate sanctions against Tehran, reflects its willingness to flirt with risks of stoking up major geopolitical tension for domestic political gains, even if it means jeopardizing regional security and undermining global non-proliferation efforts.
 
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Re: History will remember Trump

Postby HawkBowler on Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:35 am

1. Trump is the 45th president
2. Nothing stoked tension more in the Middle East than Obama giving Iran hundreds of millions of dollars and allowing them to have their way in Iraq and Syriah.
3. Brutal dictatorships, like Iran, like North Korea only understand the power of the fist. Appeasement and feckless leadership only leads to more problems as the Obama administration showed.
 
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Re: History will remember Trump

Postby Moe Gibbs on Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:57 pm

kenkomi..now what y7ou need to do is to summarize [in your own words] what these issues you just posted will end up causing or else becoming in terms of hardships to me and you..
Give it to us straight what these things will end up costing us as freedom loving citizens of the greatest nation on Earth.
Once you have posted your summation, I will save your reply and then repost it a year or more later just to see how prophetic your dire prediction[s] are.
 
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Re: History will remember Trump

Postby HawkBowler on Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:31 pm

The new MSM narrative is that Trump is cozying up with dictators. He doesn't care about the human rights abuses in North Korea.

Obama should have done the right thing with Iran, which would have been to strike a deal and then send it to the Senate for ratification. But like so many things, Obama chose to go outside Congress and the constitution in order to get a deal. He also broke sanction laws and sent pallets of cash to the Mullahs in unmarked planes flown in the middle of the night. The MSM didn't question that at all. They still don't. The obvious criticism at the time, something they certainly would have done to Trump, is asking why is the US cozying up to a country that chants death to America?

The danger for Trump, trying to play by the rules, is that the Dems and the establishment RINOs are going to be against him no matter what. They care about taking out Trump more than they do Kim's nuclear missiles. Trump is the immediate threat that's encroaching on their world views. We've even heard MSM pundits put Kim and Trump on the same playing field... both liars, authoritarian, etc. In this way, the MSM becomes a propaganda extension of the DPRK. It's sick really.

Trump needs to keep the details of the negotiations secret, because he will be attacked either way and that might kill the deal.

What's really funny are all these supposed experts like Joe Scarborough who mock everything Trump does even though they have no clue how Trump brought about the summit to begin with.
 
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Re: History will remember Trump

Postby Grandma Lynn on Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:32 pm

Hawk: Remember the old saying
"keep your enemies close,'etc.
I believe Trump knows exactly
what he's doing. It's just that we
don't!
Kim looked so timid and shy. HA!
We know him. He now wants all
the goodies that other ones have.
And he will figure that he's the one
who won, by threatening us with
his nukes.
What did we give up? Oh, the
warships of S.K. and us doing war
games. Think that was planned to
actually have something to give up
on our side? Those maneuvers just
might have bugged Kim more that
we think.
 
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Re: History will remember Trump

Postby Melvin Bradford on Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:40 am

Right on Q the Establishment motor mouths are using a North Korea newspaper to throw cold water on the entire summit and accuse the President of 'not being truthful'..........pot/ kettle.

Imaging getting paid 7 figures to sit in front of the camera every morning and recite the edited garbage from the pharisees they call news.....and in the unedited moments confirm your group think with fellow TV hosts.

Gee, our news has a striking similarity to the monopolized propaganda that dictatorships churn out to maintain power and control. I wonder if the goof balls at GMA have any idea how close they live to the North Korean reality......with exemption to the poverty of course ?

What a laugh.
 
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Re: History will remember Trump

Postby HawkBowler on Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:01 am

Grandma Lynn wrote:Think that was planned to
actually have something to give up
on our side? Those maneuvers just
might have bugged Kim more that
we think.


Trump made Kim an offer he couldn't refuse.

Don't expect Trump to receive any credit. This summit, which is a YUGE success by any measure... ending the Korean war after 70 years and denuclearizing the peninsula??? If Obama were the president doing this the entire world would be bowing to his greatness. Chris Mathews, who recently said the summit means nothing, would have thrills going up both legs.

Kim Jong Un's nation of 25 million is starving to death. The elite class of NK is starting to turn on him. He fears his generals, which is why he replaced his top three before the summit. Kim is incredibly fearful of assassination. He almost called the summit off. Not because of anything Trump did, but he was afraid to travel. Probably has a guilty conscious as well since he had his brother killed in Singapore.

All the DPRK has for leverage are some nukes they can never fire. Kim is not dumb. He knows this. There really is only one choice if he wants to stay power -- give up the nukes and begin normalizing his country to be part of the league of nations. Have a seat at the UN. The alternative is certain destruction for Kim. The reason he's moving so quickly now is because he needs immediate relief from the sanctions to restore some balance for his regime. The most important move on Trump's part was first getting China president Xi on his side. Trump walked into Singapore with all the leverage.
 
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Re: History will remember Trump

Postby Hindemith on Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:30 pm

HawkBowler wrote:Kim Jong Un's nation of 25 million is starving to death. The elite class of NK is starting to turn on him. He fears his generals, which is why he replaced his top three before the summit. Kim is incredibly fearful of assassination. He almost called the summit off. Not because of anything Trump did, but he was afraid to travel. Probably has a guilty conscious as well since he had his brother killed in Singapore.


I would guess that his life may be in greater peril after the way he appeared to chum it up with the leader of the "evil empire". That couldn't possibly go over well with the masses that he has done so much to help brainwash, not to mention some of the sadistic elements within their military. Somehow, I don't think that the men who tortured Mr. Warmbier or countless other political prisoners are all that enthusiastic about the prospect of joining the league of civilized nations.
 
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Re: History will remember Trump

Postby HawkBowler on Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:08 pm

Great points Hindemith

I see NOKO as a real life Orwellian dictatorship. Kim is the DPRK's big brother. ANY actions that defy the state can and usually do result in horrendous punishment. As you point out with Warmbier…. all of his teeth were removed and put back where they don't belong. Otto essentially came back in a body bag. He was already gone.

Trump got him back before Otto died, and that was really appreciated by his family. And as Trump said, that was really the beginning of the road towards the summit. One of the most powerful moments during the State of the Union was when Trump recognized the Warbier family. This is one of those death of innocence situations that really touches everyone.

I don't think Warmbier was an accident. I don't think a military regime like the DPRK would allow that sort of mistake. No, they were sending a message. Good looking all-American kid. My guess is that Warmbier didn't even steal the poster he was accused of. The other logical guess is that they knew that a sentence of 15 years hard labor was essentially a death sentence.


Trump get's no credit here but he's successfully skirting a very fine line. He needs to make a deal. We can't have a NOKO with nukes that can hit us while they keep threatening to push the button. We have to eliminate the threat, and some things have to be given to Kim in order to complete the deal. More than lifting sanctions or setting up investors to go into tax free NK with dirt cheap land and labor, the other factor is that Trump also has to do messaging for the 25 million North Koreans. Imagine if Trump took the MSM advice that he should chastise Kim for his human rights violations on the world stage. Not helpful.

Big question is how does the NPRK change to complete the deal and become an accepted nation? It's a military state based on fear... and false deity claims by the Kim family to boot. How do they maintain control?
 
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Re: History will remember Trump

Postby Melvin Bradford on Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:28 am

XOXOXO
 
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