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Re: Immigration

Postby HawkBowler on Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:51 am

SeaFreak wrote:Is there a point buried in that trash? "Most Americans don't know any immigrants" What about all the Americans living in places like me... Houston Texas or what about New York City or Los Angeles or Chicago???? Do we not count? And, I bet every immigrant knows some immigrants... Anyway, I'm done.... One entire side of my family is immigrants, and I do not feel threatened in the least by Open Borders. Let them in I say!!!! If you are worried about an immigrant... I say... get your head out of your ass... immigration is a BS issue that goes along with the poison of nationalism. There is no US vs. Them when it comes to humanity... There's only us. I'm fine with personal property laws... But immigration should be free.


How many German immigrants do you know that live in Texas?

Up until 1965, when the immigration act changed who was coming into the country, our foreign-born population was less than 5%. Now we're closer to 15%. Before 1965, most of our immigrants continued to come from Western and Eastern Europe. Ted Kennedy and others thought this policy was racist, or at least that's what they said, so it was changed to what we have now -- diversity for diversity sake, where 75% of our new immigrants come from third world countries.

My ancestors are also German, immigrated from the Rhineland in the early 19th century. They came over on the same boat as the Rockefellers. They eventually migrated to the North West where they bought land, timber and open sawmills. Most Americans have this kind of story, an ancestry that goes back to Europe.... and yes, even African Americans since DNA testing shows that the average AA is around 25% European. So for 200 years, we all had common ancestry. Our ancestors... who pioneered and built this country.

People from India, Pakistan, Central America, China the Middle East.... they have no claim to the success of America, and yet these are the people we're bringing into the country. Our leftist culture says that's what America is all about but this is a new phenomenon and nobody knows how the experiment will turn out.

After the civil right movement, the elites in our country no longer felt comfortable with black servants. The jobs in cleaning and lawn care, agricultural were then given to Hispanics. Mexicans have gone north and south for hundreds of years, but something happened in the 80s and 90s that exploded our illegal immigrants to some 22 million today. This is the result of elite greedy business mongers... guys you hate SeaFreak... who want cheap unregulated labor. These are the people who want to pat themselves on the back for hiring illegals to do the lawn, clean the toilet or worse.

The latest US census showed that nearly 70% of illegals are collecting some kind of welfare. Up to 20% of our prison population is made up of illegals. We've been sold the lies that illegals don't harm our society or that they come with just a net benefit. Both are untrue. The reality is that we can no longer afford to allow illegal immigration for many reasons... not least of which is the preservation of our traditional African and Native American people who's ancestors suffered the most to have the country we have now. The elites want to treat all skin colors as the same so that they receive no added bennefit. It's quite racist in fact.
 
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Re: Immigration

Postby SeaFreak on Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:23 pm

HawkBowler wrote:How many German immigrants do you know that live in Texas?


Have you ever heard of New Brounfels? What about Spoetzel Brewery? There is quite a bit of German culture in Texas.

Also, your question is kind of based on how large my social circle it. It's fairly small. You wouldn't know if someone was an immigrant unless you had a fairly close relationship with them. Since both my grandmother and mother live in Texas, I can say that of the people I actually have a close relationship with a LARGE percentage are German immigrants.

Another thing about my mother is she is a first generation American and speaks fluent English. Of course, she was only 3 years old when coming to America. But, still, I highly doubt someone would pick her out as being an immigrant. My Grandma maybe, because she has the heavy German accent. That being said, there are many second, third generation immigrants that don't speak English. My stepdad is also bilingual, spanish and English, but his parents were not immigrants, and they both spoke very little English. Germans are usually well regarded in terms of learning English. Of course, it's easier to learn some languages... Spanish, German, and English are more closely related than someone coming form Japan. Another great fact is that the nation with the most English speaking citizens is India!!!

HawkBowler wrote:Up until 1965, when the immigration act changed who was coming into the country, our foreign-born population was less than 5%. Now we're closer to 15%. Before 1965, most of our immigrants continued to come from Western and Eastern Europe. Ted Kennedy and others thought this policy was racist, or at least that's what they said, so it was changed to what we have now -- diversity for diversity sake, where 75% of our new immigrants come from third world countries.


See, I would prefer that our immigration was not based on legislation or policy, but rather based on who wants to come over. Isn't that the "free market" that Republicans always tout? Why does the free market suddenly stop and we need massive regulation when we're talking about people that don't look or talk like you? Indeed, that is racist in my opinion. Or, at best xenephobic.


HawkBowler wrote:My ancestors are also German, immigrated from the Rhineland in the early 19th century. They came over on the same boat as the Rockefellers. They eventually migrated to the North West where they bought land, timber and open sawmills. Most Americans have this kind of story, an ancestry that goes back to Europe.... and yes, even African Americans since DNA testing shows that the average AA is around 25% European. So for 200 years, we all had common ancestry. Our ancestors... who pioneered and built this country.


You're still being very racist, bigoted, xenephobic, all that stuff here. I don't care where anybody comes from.

HawkBowler wrote:People from India, Pakistan, Central America, China the Middle East.... they have no claim to the success of America, and yet these are the people we're bringing into the country. Our leftist culture says that's what America is all about but this is a phenomenon and nobody knows how the experiment will turn out.


More racism... Do you ever stop?


HawkBowler wrote:After the civil right movement, the elites in our country no longer felt comfortable with black servants. The jobs in cleaning and lawn care, agricultural were then given to Hispanics. Mexicans have gone north and south for hundreds of years, but something happened in the 80s and 90s that exploded our illegal immigrants to some 22 million today. This is the result of elite greedy business mongers... guys you hate SeaFreak... who want cheap unregulated labor. These are the people who want to pat themselves on the back for hiring illegals to do the lawn, clean the toilet or worse.


I don't want illegal immigration. I want a citizenship vending machine at the border. They are only "illegal" based on our government legislation. You racists love that distinction, legal vs. illegal. Trump loves it... I remember him once slowly annunciating the world "legally" when discussing immigration the the delight of his followers. Well, just go with an open border policy and suddenly we are down to 0 illegal immigrants. So, that distinction is stupid. Either you want a white America or you don't care. I don't care.

HawkBowler wrote:The latest US census showed that nearly 70% of illegals are collecting some kind of welfare. Up to 20% of our prison population is made up of illegals. We've been sold the lies that illegals don't harm our society or that they come with just a net benefit. Both are untrue. The reality is that we can no longer afford to allow illegal immigration for many reasons.


The prison statistics are based on drug trafficking, and I think your 20% is a Federal number. The drug trafficking is based on a whole different issue, which is the failed War on Drugs that has cost American taxpayers a whopping 78 billion annually!!!!! See, you're allowing your racism to cloud your perspective!

Similar to gun control, if you make drugs illegal it doesn't stop the demand. So, bringing cocaine into America is illegal, no amount of immigration policy is going to stop that. No giant wall is going to stop that. (Escobar was bringing his stuff by plane, and I'm sure that's still a great way to traffic drugs.)

If you could just go down to your local convenience store and legally buy a gram of cocaine, then I gaurantee all those prison statistics would change. This might seem like a stupd idea to some, but if you look at the states where marijuana has been legalized, you have not seen a massive jump in usage. I for one would not start using cocaine simply because it was legal. Would you? Spend the money on drug education rather than law enforcement.

The welfare statistics are also slanted. Most people on welfare are employed. So, it's really corporate welfare. Wal-Mart makes billions while paying their employees slave wages and the taxpayers pick up the rest. Of course, it makes sense that many immigrants will start off in these low paying jobs. Some might come over to be doctors or scientists, but many are coming over with very little skills, money, or language, so of course they will be working in low paying jobs and skewing the welfare statistics. You're not digging much past your racism to tout welfare statistics as an anti-immigration talking point. And again, they're only "illegal" based on our own laws. If we had citizenship vending machines at the border, they would no longer be illegal. And, we could tax them if we wanted to, although it's my personal belief that all income tax is theft. There should be no Federal Reserve and no IRS. If you're looking at immigrants rather than bankers, you are essentially BLIND.
 
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Re: Immigration

Postby Grandma Lynn on Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:40 pm

SeaFreak, just remember your relatives
came here LEGALLY!
So did mine, Mom from Norway and my
Dad from Germany. And they became
proud citizens, like yours.
So different than these thousands trying
to get in on a free pass. I'm surprised
you don't agree.
 
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Re: Immigration

Postby fanaticalmariner on Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:21 pm

Anyone who has traveled a modest amount has seen Shiner Bock bottled by Spoetzl Brewery. I suspect its available in grocery stores in the Puget Sound area. German immigrants came into New Orleans and Houston in waves in the 1850's. Many of them went up the Mississippi to Memphis or further north to St Louis and west from there or all the way up the Missouri to St Paul, MN. The Mississippi River was a safer and simple means of moving inland to reach the low cost real estate available to settlers. Much of my career involved consulting w/ clients, attorneys or private individuals and coordinating a staff of historical document researchers. I still have a private library w/ 15 mil legal documents or records stored on 300tb of HDD. My work was demographics, and archiving data.
 
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Re: Immigration

Postby HawkBowler on Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:24 am

SeaFreak wrote:Have you ever heard of New Brounfels? What about Spoetzel Brewery? There is quite a bit of German culture in Texas.


The point that flew over your head is that we no longer bring in German immigrants. Most people are coming in from the third world. It's not racist to point that out.... it's reality.

You're still being very racist, bigoted, xenephobic, all that stuff here. I don't care where anybody comes from.


You completely miss the point. Plus, you don't even see the racism that's currently infecting our immigration policies. Why are we purposely trying to bring in minorities and not white people now? Because the elites wanted to create a new underclass in this country. This was very racist towards traditional black, brown and native Americans. You don't give a sh*t about those people obviously but I do.

I don't want illegal immigration. I want a citizenship vending machine at the border. They are only "illegal" based on our government legislation. You racists love that distinction, legal vs. illegal.


Bullsh*t, we have laws against illegal entry for a reason. The only reason why it continues is the lack of a political will to stop it. You and the vending maching bullsh*t... you don't even care where your tax dollars are spent. You cry about money goint to the F18 program but then you're perfectly fine with the country spending $70,000 per illegal alien.

You call yourself a financial expert but you don't even understand the basics of supply and demand. Pump cheap unregulated labor into the economy and wages stagnate or drop. Illegal immigration benefits the richest people in our country the most, especially the tech industry that's now employing close to 40% immigrants. Why aren't those jobs going to Americans?

The welfare statistics are also slanted.


The US Census slants the statistics? Just stop... clearly illegal immigration comes with a huge cost. And again, the costs hurt traditional minorities in this country most of all. Again, that makes you the racist because you seem to think people of the same color are the same, whether you're a black man from south central LA or a black man from Kenya. Whether you're a brown person from Houston Texas or a brown person from El Salvador.
 
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Re: Immigration

Postby Melvin Bradford on Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:13 am

So well stated.

Immigration is where Liberalism becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. As Obumble tip toes around with the elite and takes the occasional break to decry all the injustice of race, class and opportunity....the open border reality insures it. Blue collar America has has experienced this for decades. So Uncle Sam rides in on the multicultural horse to hand out subsidies...essentially buying votes and 'building a wall of resolve against personal responsibility'. And then the media showcases individuals who have had the state practically hand them their future....as examples of success.
Even the Pope is dry-washing his hands essentially telling Europe and North America (that would be U.S.) to surrender to total migration. ....from behind the vast wall protecting the Vatican full of homo heretics. Brilliant.
 
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Re: Immigration

Postby HawkBowler on Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:26 am

Yes, the Vatican and their walls are racist!

One of the ironies on the left is that they point to Sweden and Norway as their ideal socialist utopias. Almost all white countries that are mostly capitalists.

Most leftists are like SeaFreak who haven't been outside the country much. If they did explore the rest of the world they would realize that America is by far the most diverse country on the planet. Second place is not even close. But that's not their aim... it's to demonize America in order to tear down the institutions of America so they can build their socialist utopia... that's never existed before in human history.
 
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Re: Immigration

Postby HawkBowler on Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:33 am

If we had illegal white immigrants sneaking into the country from Canada and voting Republican there would already be a northern wall.
 
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Re: Immigration

Postby Melvin Bradford on Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:15 pm

Its crunch time USA. The President will deliver the plan tonight .......and Demonics will shoot it down.

Congress no longer represents the people and states of the US. They represent the third world and anyone who wants to come. Human trafficking at its finest.
 
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Re: Immigration

Postby Grandma Lynn on Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:23 pm

Pres. Trump's speech was short
and to the point!
Tomorrow he will meet with the
two crazy Democrats for around
45 min. I feel after that he will
call an emergency and will start
building the wall.
Pelosi and side kick will standby
their "no wall" and the Pres. will
start the wall.
After hearing them say how they
feel about the speech, Pres. will
say, to hell with them, and will
start the wall. I hope so!
 
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