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Re: Deep State

Postby SeaFreak on Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:04 am

HawkBowler wrote:
SeaFreak wrote: The government is your God.... it's on the damn money!


Spoken like a true socialist!

That's the key separation -- those who want a nation under god and those that want a nation under government. How many people do you currently trust in government? For me, it's about a handful of people in DC. Politicians should not be giving us morals and telling us how to live. Protect the country, reform the tax code, work out better trade deal. Let Americans decide their own morals. Otherwise... if you've noticed... they don't talk about the issues at all. It's much easier to just divide people based on our base differences of race, gender and sex.


I want a government free from the Central Bank. "Nation Under God" is a farce... It's a nation under bankers, oil barons, war profiteers, drug peddlers...

If you believe in God, then every nation is "under God".... Printing it on the money is a way to get people to buy into the money system... The money is the master, and we are the slaves, and all of the symbology on the printed currency is there to reinforce this.

Fractional Reserve Banking is theft. You shouldn't be able to loan out more than you have and charge interest. Money is given it's value by laborers... That's where the rubber meets the road. Buy bitcoin... We're taking this thing back... Has nothing to do with a freaking Church... Houses of Worship... LOL... houses of deception and coercion.....The pastor has money, though. doesn't he? nice clothes? nice cars? Get outta here with your religion mumbo jumbo it's a new age. It's an age of technology and truth. There is no room for the costumes and rituals of Christianity any more than there is of worshipping Zeus or Poseidon. Religon is for those who are scared of the unknown. And, it's for controlling the masses.
 
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Re: Deep State

Postby HawkBowler on Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:33 am

Again, SeaFreak, you fail to recognize that socialism is a religion. When a totalitarian government takes over they remove religion to implement their own. And the new socialist religion has even more contradictions than traditional religions. The socialist has to promote many lies and also engage in thought control to control the masses.

Nation under god means that we don't allow our politicians to dictate morality. They are not holy people. Our system, in particular, is not putting our best and brightest at the top. Nation under government allows for a socialist totalitarian take over. America is never going to become a radical fundamentalist Christian nation similar to say the Taliban in Aghanistan. We are so far to the left that that will never happen. And yet the rising socialists within our country say that conservatives are the fascists Nazis come again. It's all distortion.

The only way we can lose our freedoms is if we allow socialists to curtail free speech using what they call 'hate speech' because they hate the view point. Socialists can't take over if everyone has guns. They can't take over if everyone has religious freedom.

And don't think you're immune either just because you reject religion. They will control your speech as well. Remember, speech control is thought control. This is the entire point of Orwell's novels and the reason so many people see what he was writing about coming to life now.
 
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Re: Deep State

Postby SeaFreak on Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:15 pm

HawkBowler wrote:Again, SeaFreak, you fail to recognize that socialism is a religion. When a totalitarian government takes over they remove religion to implement their own. And the new socialist religion has even more contradictions than traditional religions. The socialist has to promote many lies and also engage in thought control to control the masses.

Nation under god means that we don't allow our politicians to dictate morality. They are not holy people. Our system, in particular, is not putting our best and brightest at the top. Nation under government allows for a socialist totalitarian take over. America is never going to become a radical fundamentalist Christian nation similar to say the Taliban in Aghanistan. We are so far to the left that that will never happen. And yet the rising socialists within our country say that conservatives are the fascists Nazis come again. It's all distortion.

The only way we can lose our freedoms is if we allow socialists to curtail free speech using what they call 'hate speech' because they hate the view point. Socialists can't take over if everyone has guns. They can't take over if everyone has religious freedom.

And don't think you're immune either just because you reject religion. They will control your speech as well. Remember, speech control is thought control. This is the entire point of Orwell's novels and the reason so many people see what he was writing about coming to life now.


Dude, my thing is not really politics or religion... It's economics. And the central banking system is the core of the problem. Voting and elected officials are mostly a facade to me... a method of defining slavery as "freedom". Have you ever noticed how often politicians use the word "freedom". It's suspicious to me. It's like they think if they tell us we live in a free society enough times we will start to believe it LOL.

I'm just saying they put "In God We Trust" on the money to make it more "official" when really it's just paper that they can create out of thin air. Gold standard was dropped in 1971. Did you know that the Federal Reserve Bank was created the same year as the IRS. (1913)

Inflation is just your money becoming worth less as they print more. And, there's not enough currency in circulation to pay off the debt, so they will print more and they will spend it on social services and they will spend it on infrastructure and they will spend it on WAR. We will pay the bill in the form of taxes and national debt. It's not about a totalitarian government, its about no longer being a slave to the system. It could work under a democracy or a socialism or anarchy... these are all just labels. The problem is the financial system is rigged. Fractional Reserve is a crime. The Federal Reserve is evil.

"One Nation Under God" is utterly ridiculous as is the practice of forcing our children to recite it... that's totally fascist. There should be no "Pledge of Allegiance"... what is that flag salute crap. There is not one single European country that forces their kids to say that crap at school. God Help us All! Now that's more like it!
 
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Re: Deep State

Postby beenthereanddonethat on Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:41 pm

Sea, it was "One Nation, Indivisible and justice for all" until the Lordies in favor of linking religion and government changed it. Not one founder ever wanted God or otherwise in this government and for good reason....as we see today. Tax ALL churches now preaching politics from the pulpit.
 
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Re: Deep State

Postby Grandma Lynn on Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:29 pm

I remember when we saluted the flag.
My mother never did, she put her hand
over her heart.
Now that is what we do! Much better.
 
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Re: Deep State

Postby beenthereanddonethat on Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:44 pm

Grandma Lynn wrote:I remember when we saluted the flag.
My mother never did, she put her hand
over her heart.
Now that is what we do! Much better.

We all put our hands over our hearts unless you are in scouting or the military. Wow!
 
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Re: Deep State

Postby SeaFreak on Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:59 pm

beenthereanddonethat wrote:Sea, it was "One Nation, Indivisible and justice for all" until the Lordies in favor of linking religion and government changed it. Not one founder ever wanted God or otherwise in this government and for good reason....as we see today. Tax ALL churches now preaching politics from the pulpit.


People will wake up... All that ornate ritualistic costume BS with the fancy buildings paid for by tax exempt robbery. Eventually you realize that Santa Claus is not real.

But, I'm against the "Pledge of Allegiance" in general. Why do our kids need to recite that? Does it really make our country a better place to live in because our kids pledge allegiance on a daily basis? Or is is just some ridiculous form of brainwashing? I'm against all this overt nationalism and "freedon, liberty" hyperbole.
 
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Re: Deep State

Postby HawkBowler on Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:09 am

SeaFreak wrote:"One Nation Under God" is utterly ridiculous as is the practice of forcing our children to recite it... that's totally fascist. There should be no "Pledge of Allegiance"... what is that flag salute crap. There is not one single European country that forces their kids to say that crap at school. God Help us All! Now that's more like it!


Fascism is spawned from socialism. Hitler was a socialist.

Fascism doesn't come from conservatism. In fact, conservatism prevents communism and fascism.

There's nothing wrong with being proud of your country. Have you ever watched a world cup soccer game? Come on now.

Nothing wrong with nationalist. It's when we become national socialist or democrat socialist, like we see now, that there's a problem. Take away the greedy capitalists and they will be replaced by greedy socialists who will setup their own 1% vs 99%.
 
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Re: Deep State

Postby Grandma Lynn on Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:48 pm

beenthereanddonethat wrote:
Grandma Lynn wrote:I remember when we saluted the flag.
My mother never did, she put her hand
over her heart.
Now that is what we do! Much better.

We all put our hands over our hearts unless you are in scouting or the military. Wow!


Yes, but I was talking of YEARS ago!
Citizens use to salute the flag.
 
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