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Re: Klaven: 3 reasons the left turns violent

Postby amistads on Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:06 am

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Re: Klaven: 3 reasons the left turns violent

Postby SeaFreak on Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:03 am

The right-wing media likes to paint the left as a lazy, angry, mob. Nothing new here.


Violence is always evidence of failure. It's just a matter of trying to figure out what component is breaking down. The King of all violence is warfare. So, any discussion around violence should start there.
 
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Re: Klaven: 3 reasons the left turns violent

Postby HawkBowler on Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:37 pm

SeaFreak, what the left is doing right now with their antifa and BLM battalions is similar to what happened in Germany in the late 1920s. Our country is on the verge of going socialist just like the Germans back then. All we need is a world wide recession.

Violence is not equal on both sides. Socialist argument.

War is sometimes unavoidable... Pearl Harbor, 9/11 as examples.
 
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Re: Klaven: 3 reasons the left turns violent

Postby Bo Riley on Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:38 pm

HawkBowler wrote:SeaFreak, what the left is doing right now with their antifa and BLM battalions is similar to what happened in Germany in the late 1920s. Our country is on the verge of going socialist just like the Germans back then. All we need is a world wide recession.

Violence is not equal on both sides. Socialist argument.

War is sometimes unavoidable... Pearl Harbor, 9/11 as examples.


This is paranoid hyperbole.

You'd do well in socialism, your income may rise.
 
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Re: Klaven: 3 reasons the left turns violent

Postby HawkBowler on Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:21 am

Bo Riley wrote:
You'd do well in socialism, your income may rise.


Look, capitalism creates wealth. Socialism destroys wealth.

Socialism only works until you run out of other people's money. Politicians like Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Ocasio Cortez are promising people Medicare for all. We are $20 trillion dollars in debt and the bulk of that is because of entitlement programs like Medicare. We can't afford to fund the people already on Medicare or who will soon be eligible. There's no way our country can afford to give this to everyone. It's simple math.

That's why you'll never hear the socialist talk about an actual plan to fix things. Bernie certainly doesn't have a clue. All he does is tell young people that we're the greatest country in the world so everyone should have free health care, college, ect. No plan... there is no plan. Give people like Bernie the power and they will some how figure it out.

No thanks... the results are certain after 100 years of experimentation around the world. The latest being the dumpster fire that is Venezuela. Socialism is a spectrum. On one end is communism, the other end is fascism -- Nazis. Our only choice is to reject socialism and socialists outright.
 
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Re: Klaven: 3 reasons the left turns violent

Postby Melvin Bradford on Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:28 am

Look no further than the yellow vests in France to see a showcase of socialism. Under the guise of righteous anger at tax rates they destroy and loot private property. Property is always the first casualty of a leftist mob. If they can't take it they destroy it.

The common thread running through all the Antifa groups and including BLM is socialism and its inherent violence. The Demonic party is transitioning to overt socialists in office. Lie, cheat, extort, steal and ..........maim. Maintain a level of anger, hatred, envy, blame ......and the sense of fear and frustration. Look at the funnel cloud they've formed at the President. All forms of media spew the lie of guilt .......seeds of discontent in the electorate all blame one man.

Even BTDT revealed how all the so-called affection for 41 is just a set up for malice toward Donald Trump. And of course with such laser like intensity focused for the stupid, controlled or otherwise indifferent populace the District of Criminals get a pass. All the little gate keepers from editorial boards, to academe, to late night comics, to public television, to the river of Tech and their pius censorship ......ironically seek the destruction of the middle class.....
 
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Re: Klaven: 3 reasons the left turns violent

Postby HawkBowler on Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:49 am

Melvin Bradford wrote:Look no further than the yellow vests in France to see a showcase of socialism. Under the guise of righteous anger at tax rates they destroy and loot private property. Property is always the first casualty of a leftist mob. If they can't take it they destroy it.



My understanding is that the yellow jackets are a populist movement made up of mostly middle class or working class protesting the gas tax.

The contrast was striking between its extension in the popular classes, the broad sympathy for it, especially in workplaces, and the massive backing of the population (70 percent support on the eve of November 17) and the caricature that was made in many left circles that decried it, identifying the hand of the road transportation employers and the extreme right behind it.

However, all the employers’ organizations in road transport condemned the blockades, asking the government to clear them. As far as the extreme right is concerned, it is true that Nicolas Dupont Aignan, leader of the Debout la France movement, has been enthusiastic since mid-October, displaying his yellow jacket in the media. Similarly, Marine Le Pen’s Rassemblement National (as the National Front is now known) has shown support, while disavowing the roadblocks.

Most organizers of the gilets jaunes have clearly wanted to mark their distance from this inconvenient support. Discreetly, “les Républicains” and the Socialist Party expressed their sympathy with the movement.

On the other hand, while leaders of France insoumise, such as Jean-Louis Mélenchon or François Ruffin, expressed support for the movement in several televised interviews, as has Olivier Besancenot of the NPA, all of the major trade unions — not only the CFDT and FO, but also the CGT and Solidaires — have refused to support the demonstrations, insisting that they are being manipulated by the far right and the road transport bosses.

The reality is that the yellow jackets reflect a profound movement among the popular classes. Every day, 17 million people work outside of the municipality where they live — — in other words, two-thirds of those economically active. Of those two-thirds, 80 percent use their own vehicle to get to work.

https://socialistworker.org/2018/11/28/ ... ow-jackets


This looks like a rebellion against socialist policies that are squeezing the French middle class. The socialist organizers, whether here in the US or in Europe are the big money people, George Soros and the like. The big lie of course is that they're working for the little man and not the liberal elite.
 
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Re: Klaven: 3 reasons the left turns violent

Postby Melvin Bradford on Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:27 pm

a fawning piece by 'socialist worker' some of which is perhaps merited (ironic)

but

what started out as a single protester use the state required 'yellow vest' from the trunk of the car careened into another movement.
 
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Re: Klaven: 3 reasons the left turns violent

Postby HawkBowler on Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:04 am

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Re: Klaven: 3 reasons the left turns violent

Postby SeaFreak on Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:02 pm

HawkBowler wrote:SeaFreak, what the left is doing right now with their antifa and BLM battalions is similar to what happened in Germany in the late 1920s. Our country is on the verge of going socialist just like the Germans back then. All we need is a world wide recession.

Violence is not equal on both sides. Socialist argument.

War is sometimes unavoidable... Pearl Harbor, 9/11 as examples.


Revolutionary War. We were super violent, then.... So, why is "violence" always frowned upon? What should be frowned upon is "unecessary violence"... and we all have our own definitions of when violence becomes a good or possibly the only option. But, a simple tactic is to oppress and then discredit a revolution based on violent participants. When they are non-violent like football anthem, then they label the participants ungrateful.... yin chases yang...
 
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