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Re: Speaking of the wall

Postby Moe Gibbs on Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:19 am

beenthereanddonethat wrote:Contrary to Brietbart, Info wars and faux, the left is not now and has never been for open borders. Or for illegals to stay without legislation. This is the great political lie so loved by the ignorants like moe on the right. Reagan granted amnesty to millions yet remains the god like figure to pubs. I do understand that when this is over, few to none of YOU here will admit to ever supporting trump. It's Mueller time!


Such a liar.
You fool nobody but yourself.

The Illegals cast the extra millions of votes for Hillary that you love to console yourself with.

While the NWO Globalists have their Army of Brainwashed Snowflake Cattle riled up over the hypothetical and intangible effects of Russian "Facebook Likes" to "throw our election", this is the real ISSUE OF SUBSTANCE that has a direct effect on the outcome of elections.

This article is taken from the Federation For Immigration Reform

The United States sends election monitors around the world to help discourage fraudulent balloting. But, here at home, it has largely turned a blind eye to the possibility that fraudulent voting by non citizens could influence the outcome of an election. Our voter registration system is susceptible to abuse by noncitizens.
In addition, noncitizens and illegal aliens are counted when apportioning congressional districts and when allocating state electors under the Electoral College. This means non citizens play a role in determining how many congressional representatives a state has and exert an indirect influence on presidential elections.
U.S. Elections Are Vulnerable to Non citizen Voting Fraud
Mass immigration has had a significant effect on American electoral politics. Despite the fact that it is a crime for aliens to vote in federal elections, non citizens and illegal aliens are counted when apportioning congressional districts.
1 This means that areas with large numbers of illegal alien residents gain additional representatives in Congress.
In addition, there is evidence that both foreign nationals who are lawfully present in the United States and illegal aliens have voted in recent elections. During this election cycle, noncitizens have been discovered on voter registration rolls in both Virginia and Pennsylvania.
2 The Office of the U.S. Attorney for the Western District of New York recently announced that it charged a Canadian woman with making a false claim to citizenship after she registered and voted in more than 20 elections.
3 Several past elections – for the presidency and other offices – have been extremely close. Accordingly, ballots cast by noncitizen voters have the potential to improperly alter the outcome of elections. Consider how close the 2000 presidential election was. Could the outcome have been affected by noncitizen voting? The answer is yes.
With the 2016 election fast approaching, and candidates publicly alleging that the system is rigged, the possibility exists that voting by noncitizens could significantly influence the results. Many immigrants' rights groups contend that noncitizen voting constitutes a harmless misunderstanding of the rules and should not cause great concern. However, this approach undermines the rule of law. It also enables individuals whose interests may not coincide with those of the American people to exert influence on our domestic politics. Given the rate at which both the legal and illegal alien populations have been allowed to grow, the United States should be concerned with ensuring that the electoral power of U.S. citizens is not undermined and with protecting the United States from foreign influence through “diaspora diplomacy.”
Noncitizen Voting Is Illegal
Elections in the United States are governed by a complicated mix of federal, state, and municipal election laws. As a rule, noncitizens are prohibited from voting and are subject to criminal penalties if they do.
State Elections
With very limited exceptions, noncitizen voting is illegal under the relevant statutes of all fifty states. Laws requiring voting registrants and voters to establish proof of citizenship have been repeatedly challenged in recent years. The most frequent objections to these reasonable measures are that voter fraud is a “myth” and that voter ID requirements will unreasonably interfere with the right to vote. These claims seem patently unreasonable given that there have been numerous reports of unlawful voting by aliens but no virtually no reports of voters being disenfranchised.
Marking a disturbing new trend, several municipalities in Maryland have begun allowing non citizens to vote in town elections; and the City of Chicago now allows non citizen voting in school advisory council elections. To date, no state has extended non citizen voting beyond municipal elections. This, however, remains a major area of concern. State efforts to extend the franchise to noncitizens undermine the rule of law; blur the distinctions between citizens and non citizens; and render U.S. elections susceptible to both fraud and foreign influence.
Federal Elections
The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA) requires that persons registering to vote in federal elections affirm that they are United States Citizens. Failure to do so is a crime punishable under the following statutes:
Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 611, it is a crime – punishable by a fine and up to one year in prison – for an alien to vote in a federal election.
Pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1227, any alien who has voted in violation of any Federal, State, or local constitutional provision, statute, ordinance, or regulation is deportable.
Pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1973gg-10(2) any false statement concerning an applicant’s citizenship status that is made on a registration form submitted to election authorities is a crime.
Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 911 knowing and willful false assertions of United States citizenship in order to vote are punishable by up to three years in prison.
Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 1015(f) it is a criminal offense for an individual to make a false statement or claim that he or she is a citizen of the United States in order to register or to vote.
Noncitizen Voting Is Easy
The United States does not currently issue any general-use document intended to confirm both identity and citizenship. While a U.S. passport may be used for both these purposes, it is a travel document. Most people seek a passport when planning a trip and only a relatively small proportion of the population holds a passport at any given time.
As a result, the preferred form of documentary identification in the United States is the drivers’ license. Drivers’ licenses are issued by the states, pursuant to a widely varying body of state-specific laws and regulations. Currently, twelve states and the District of Columbia allow illegal aliens to obtain a drivers’ license.10
Congress attempted to address these issues with the Real ID Act, enacted May 11 2005, which established standards for state-issued licenses and other identity documents – including verification of immigration status. However, only 24 states and territories are currently compliant.11 Many of the allegedly compliant states have continued issuing licenses and state ID cards to illegal aliens and short-term visitors.12 Others – such as Delaware Utah – have continued to issue “driving privilege cards” or other non-license documents.13
The intentions behind the Real ID Act also continue to be thwarted by certain provisions of the NVRA. These provisions, known as the “Motor-Voter Law,” require state departments of motor vehicles to act as voter registration proxies. The information supplied by license applicants doubles as voter registration information and the registration process has become nearly automatic. Because so many states continue to issue driver’s licenses to non citizens, it is relatively easy for aliens to commit voter fraud through the Motor-Voter system. When renewing a driver’s license by mail, they simply check the boxes indicating that they wish to be registered as voters and affirming that they are a U.S. citizen. Most often, they are added to the voter rolls without any attempt to verify the applicant’s citizenship.
There Are Few Deterrents to Noncitizen Voting
There have been a significant number of alien voter violations alleged in recent years. Yet, there appears to be a stunning lack of federal interest in this issue. The U.S. Election Assistance Commission published its last report on Election Crimes a decade ago in December 2006.14 This 23 page report mentioned noncitizen voting once, only to note that it had been addressed in media reports. The most recent version of the Department of Justice’s report Federal Prosecution of Election Offenses was issued in 2007.15 Ostensibly a manual addressing how the Justice Department handles federal election offenses it devotes only three and a half pages to noncitizen voting violations.
Reports of alien voter prosecutions are difficult to find. The Heritage Foundation notes that as few as 300 cases involving voter fraud have been successfully prosecuted since 2010.16 Apart from the aforementioned case in the Western District of New York, voter prosecution cases do not appear to be a priority for the Justice Department. The same appears to be true for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). The ICE website lists a 2011 arrest of an illegal alien charged with voter fraud.17 No other election-related prosecutions appear to have been posted. A diligent search of the Internet will produce several accounts of state arrests for egregious instances of illegal voting but this is clearly not a prominent issue for state prosecutors.
Federal and state lack of interest in election offenses is not an indication that noncitizen voting is a minor problem. It is only an indication that election authorities are failing to prosecute violators. Inattention to the phenomenon of noncitizen voting and a failure to impose effective penalties against those who cast votes fraudulently has rendered laws against such activity a paper tiger, without deterrent effect. If the problem is allowed to continue, it will inevitably lead to questions about whether the results of U.S. elections truly reflect the political inclinations of the American people.here is widespread awareness that illegal immigration is a massive and growing problem in the United States. Estimates of the illegal population vary between 11 and 20 million. FAIR believes there are likely between 11 to 13 million illegal residents. In addition to the illegal aliens already in the country, the Census Bureau estimates that the illegal alien population is growing by a minimum of 500,000 per year.
Combining the estimated numbers of both legal and illegal aliens, there appear to be at least 26 million non-U.S. citizens in the United States at any given time. The bulk of them are lawful permanent residents and illegal aliens (a total of 22 million). The balance consists of roughly 1.6 million tourists and other brief-stay visitors; and approximately 2.4 million long-term visa-holders, such as students and temporary workers.
Many politicians are taking firm stances on issues affecting migrants, including amnesty, entitlements and sanctuary city policies. This gives noncitizens a significant incentive to register as voters and cast a ballot. For example, in East Chicago, Indiana, a city with 30,000 residents, voting fraud was so systemic in 2003 that the State Supreme Court ordered a new election with heightened verification. When unlawful voters were prohibited from casting a ballot the outcome of the election changed.18
The problem is not unique to Indiana. A 2013 National Hispanic Survey study by Republican pollster John McLaughlin asked a sample of 800 likely Hispanic voters if they were American citizens. 13 percent admitted they were not.
In 2014, a study released by a team of professors from Old Dominion University and George Mason University estimated that approximately 6.4 percent of noncitizens voted In the 2008 presidential election. They also surmised that 2.2 percent voted in the 2010 midterm election. In addition, the study estimated that 80 percent of noncitizens who appeared to have voted cast their ballots in favor of one party. Noncitizens are believed to have voted in these elections in numbers great enough to have affected the outcome.
Nate Silver, an acclaimed statistician with the forecasting firm Five Thirty Eight, calculated that states with newly implemented voter ID laws will experience turnout decrease by as much as 2.4 percent of the registered voter population. Opponents of voter ID laws claim that any decreases in voter turnout are evidence that legal voters have been disenfranchised – discounting the possibility that the reductions are due to decreased participation by non-citizens. But, as Silver has noted, this argument doesn’t make sense because the vast majority of adults in America hold some form of photo identification and states with voter ID laws offer qualifying documentation at minimal or no cost. While it is impossible to prove that Silver’s entire 2.4 percent estimated turnout decrease is entirely attributable to noncitizen voters, it is highly likely that foreign nationals without authorization to vote will constitute the majority of this group. And Silver’s numbers are consistent with the results of other studies more specifically focused on reducing unlawful noncitizen voting.
If we take the mean of these three estimates -- 7.25 percent -- and apply it to just the 22 million non-citizen residents currently in the United States, then approximately 1.6 million non-citizens vote every year. According to the high and low estimates here, that number could be as high as 2.9 million (at 13 percent of 22 million), or as low as 528,000 (2.4 percent of 22 million). Both are unacceptably high numbers.
 
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Re: Speaking of the wall

Postby HawkBowler on Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:13 am

Illegals don't have to vote in order to influence the election. They could have friends and family that are sympathetic to their plight so they vote with the candidates advocating relaxed immigration enforcement. Illegals impact the vote whether they vote or not.

We have lots of legal immigrants in this country who are not allowed to vote either but do.

BTDT talks about immigration lies. It's only certain publications and rightwing media that lie to people about immigration, according to him. They stoke fears that are unfounded and there is a general sense of racism that governs all their thinking.

It's funny how the left thinks they know the other side and yet they don't seem to know themselves or their political party of choice very well. They've learned the talking points. They believe them, and that's that. Illegals commit less crime. Each and everyone is a benefit to our economy. Diversity for diversity sake is a near-divine aspiration.

Voter Suppression is a term on the left that they use as a cover-up of illegal voting. Nobody who is a legal citizen in our country is prevented from voting in any way. It's easy to register and vote. Most people don't even have to leave their home now. The ballot comes in the mail and goes back in the mail. But for the left they have to constantly stoke fears of voter suppression in order to stave off voting regulations that limit illegal voting.

It amazes me how the Democrats are still clinging to the notion that IDs are racist. Of course, that would explain why we're the most racist society on earth because you can't do anything in our culture without ID.... from buying a beer to boarding a plane to obtaining a library card. Yet for some reason, it's racist to require ID to vote. It's nonsense of course. ID laws limit the number of people who are not supposed to vote from voting.
 
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Re: Speaking of the wall

Postby Grandma Lynn on Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:23 pm

Don't forget the diseases that are
also coming over here. Latest is
the "man-eating "disease. Don't
you think we have enough of our
own ill health to get more from
other countries, mainly the illegals?
The wall will be built, but please
hurry!
 
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Re: Speaking of the wall

Postby The Ghost of Jack Cust on Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:40 pm

Grandma Lynn wrote:Don't forget the diseases that are
also coming over here. Latest is
the "man-eating "disease. Don't
you think we have enough of our
own ill health to get more from
other countries, mainly the illegals?
The wall will be built, but please
hurry!


Hurry!! Keep those savage, brown-skinned animals away from MY AMERICA!! No illegals and no shit-hole countries, allowed, period! BUILD THAT WALL, BUILD THAT WALL, BUILD THAT WALL...The Invasion must be stopped. All these people pouring in, a festering cesspool of generational sexual tension, throbbing foreign members charging ahead to penetrate the southern rim of Mother America. God Save Us All (Except Trump, **** that guy).
 
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Re: Speaking of the wall

Postby Moe Gibbs on Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:08 am

The Ghost of Jack Cust wrote:
Grandma Lynn wrote:Don't forget the diseases that are
also coming over here. Latest is
the "man-eating "disease. Don't
you think we have enough of our
own ill health to get more from
other countries, mainly the illegals?
The wall will be built, but please
hurry!


Hurry!! Keep those savage, brown-skinned animals away from MY AMERICA!! No illegals and no shit-hole countries, allowed, period! BUILD THAT WALL, BUILD THAT WALL, BUILD THAT WALL...The Invasion must be stopped. All these people pouring in, a festering cesspool of generational sexual tension, throbbing foreign members charging ahead to penetrate the southern rim of Mother America. God Save Us All (Except Trump, **** that guy).



HERE LIES BOJACK CUSTRILEY
He claimed he was in the Healthcare Profession.
Later we learn that he helps people fill out the medical benefits forms via his talentless, skill-less and clueless Affirmative Action Job that any Illegal Alien or robot could do.
 
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Re: Speaking of the wall

Postby The Ghost of Jack Cust on Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:44 pm

Moe Gibbs wrote:
The Ghost of Jack Cust wrote:
Grandma Lynn wrote:Don't forget the diseases that are
also coming over here. Latest is
the "man-eating "disease. Don't
you think we have enough of our
own ill health to get more from
other countries, mainly the illegals?
The wall will be built, but please
hurry!


Hurry!! Keep those savage, brown-skinned animals away from MY AMERICA!! No illegals and no shit-hole countries, allowed, period! BUILD THAT WALL, BUILD THAT WALL, BUILD THAT WALL...The Invasion must be stopped. All these people pouring in, a festering cesspool of generational sexual tension, throbbing foreign members charging ahead to penetrate the southern rim of Mother America. God Save Us All (Except Trump, **** that guy).



HERE LIES BOJACK CUSTRILEY
He claimed he was in the Healthcare Profession.
Later we learn that he helps people fill out the medical benefits forms via his talentless, skill-less and clueless Affirmative Action Job that any Illegal Alien or robot could do.


$125k per year
 
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Re: Speaking of the wall

Postby HawkBowler on Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:28 pm

This polar vortex coming down is an absolute rebuttal of the global warming myth. Are you kidding us? -60 in Fargo tonight.

Global warming morphed into climate change when the political science experts found out the world wasn't actually warming. Sucks for the green team, because one of their go to arguments every time a hurricane strikes is that global warming leads to warmer waters leading to more frequent and devastating hurricanes. Only the record doesn't bare that out because hurricanes in the 1930s were worse.

The jig is up for the clime change scam.

It's like the wall in a way. There too we've been fed outrageous lies and we haven't been told of the Mexican cartel controlled southern border, where they make billions trafficking drugs and humans into the US. The going rate is $5,000 and the cartels control all the routes into the US. Meanwhile, we're fed the image of migrant families holding hands side by side as they wander through the dessert.

The average American doesn't have $500 in savings. This is sad, yes, but also dangerous. We have a pay check to pay check society where most people are not getting ahead. It's hard to start a family these days. Meanwhile, people are paying $5,000 to get smuggled into the country where they receive all the benefits of our society, paid by the taxes of your dad and your grandfather, great grand father. Now we pay more taxes than ever.
 
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Re: Speaking of the wall

Postby Coeur d Alene J on Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:25 pm

Melvin Bradford wrote:Heaven has a wall, a gate and a strict immigration policy. Hell has open borders.



I love that


If the Democrats thought for a second that the illegals coming would vote republican. The wall would be built and there would be a bounty on illegals
 
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Re: Speaking of the wall

Postby HawkBowler on Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:20 pm

Sweden used to be one of the safest countries in the world. Now they are second in rapes per capita behind South Africa. This is a direct consequence of Muslim migration to Sweeden only nobody is allowed to say that there.
 
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Re: Speaking of the wall

Postby Grandma Lynn on Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:22 pm

Coeur d Alene J wrote:
Melvin Bradford wrote:Heaven has a wall, a gate and a strict immigration policy. Hell has open borders.



I love that


If the Democrats thought for a second that the illegals coming would vote republican. The wall would be built and there would be a bounty on illegals


Never thought of that!
 
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